SANPO Board meeting with the NSPCA
10th November 2017 – Cape Town
Present: SANPO Board
Mr Wayne McPherson – NSPCA
Mr Jacques van der Merwe – NSPCA
Fadiel: Welcomes Wayne and Jacques to the SANPO meeting.
Asks Dr Botha, the SANPO Vet, to chair the session. Dr Botha is responsible for the medical and scientific portfolio of SANPO.
Dr Botha: Thanks the NSPCA for taking the trouble and joining the Board at the meeting.
Questions asked by Dr Botha:
Refers to the meeting with the NSPCA Executive 2 years ago relating to the mission statement.
‘To prevent cruelty and promote the welfare of animals while our vision is to end animal cruelty in SA and in general compassion with our animals.’
Said at that meeting the mission is also to stop all sport that has to do with animals. Is this still the case?
NSPCA: NSPCA is opposed to any animal sport in general. Not to stop it, but the NSPCA is opposed to it where there is animal cruelty involved.
Dr Botha: Do you take in consideration the economic welfare?
NSPCA: It is not to make a living or feed families. Not have to do, but want to do. The NSPCA will always intervene if there is any form of animal cruelty involved.
Dr Botha: It makes it very different to get common ground. If the NSPCA had to close the pigeon sport, they will do that. SANPO did its utmost best the last couple of years to comply. There will always be rouge members.
If the regional SPCA stops a truck for no reason and there is a monetary loss, who will be responsible?
NSPCA: To be addressed with the MD of the NSPCA. We are here to discuss the welfare of the sport. Here to deal with the current events. Local societies should not be involved or stop a race. They may be involved if there are birds injured.
Dr Botha: Ask that the NSPCA stick to animal cruelty. We need to understand each other. If there is cruelty, bring it under SANPO’s attention and it will be addressed immediately, even with the NSPCA’s assistance.
All aspects raised are administration related stuff. (Vaccinate and IATA e.g.) The NSPCA should focus on cruelty and SANPO will do everything in our power to assist.
NSPCA: This year’s approach was due to members complaining to the NSPCA. This was raised by members with the organisation and nothing being done about it.
IATA is the International requirements for the transportation of animals. There are instances where animals got injured.
Leon: “perches and dowels”
Duif kan nie op ‘n ‘dowel’ sit nie.(bl247). Moet ‘n plat boom wees. Brief is nie korrek en is misleidend. Sien twee sketse. Een is sonder ‘dowel’.
NSPCA: “Perches” is die versoek.
NSPCA will deal with airlines not complying to the regulations.
Dr Botha: Must be perches in the baskets. The padding is also a requirement, made with non-destructible material.
NSPCA: Confirm that it is a requirement.
Dr Botha: This request is totally against the health of the pigeon. Biggest carrier of aspergilloses.
NSPCA: SANPO should address this with IATA.
Will stop the basket. Not admitting to anything.
Br Botha: The behavior of a pigeon. Pigeon will always fight for a perch. A pigeon is flatfooted. (Roofs) No balance. Always getting into dominant position and gets injured/damaged. By enforcing that rule is in fact cruelty to animals.
NSPCA: SANPO needs to read full document.
Fadiel: Receiving boxes of pigeons from all over the world. Local the same boxes are refused. International airlines allow pigeons but we cannot transport pigeons in the same boxes.
SANPO contacted FCI (World body for racing pigeons). The aluminum boxes were always approved. Following discussions with the SAA; it is only a SA problem as the aluminum boxes are accepted worldwide.
Dr Botha: SANPO will initiate a program/workshop to ensure that all transporters/management teams stick to the rules in ways they transport pigeons. (Liberation rules, heat, water etc.) Will be a priority for SANPO.
SANPO will in future not respond to unsubstantial allegations, non-valid complains, especially where the complainant is not identified. Complainant uses the NSPCA as a yardstick when he is unhappy due to something else in the organisation. SANPO needs to interact with complainant. Comments like barbaric and that our administration is in shambles is not going to be tolerated.
“SANPO sal en wil julle help”.
SANPO will only respond to valid allegations and we will defend ourselves and will take legal action if necessary.
Leon: Het julle enige ondervinding in die duiwesport?
NSPCA: Glad nie
Leon: Daar word kommentaar gelewer op stories wat op hoorsê gebaseer is.
Alle organisasies moet duiwe inent. Sertifikate word op trokke gesit met ‘n verklaring dat die lid gespuit het en ook wie teenwoordig was. Hoe kan SANPO die saak ondersoek indien die naam nie bekend is nie. Die lid doen SANPO ook skade aan en oortree die SANPO reels.
Onlangs is twee trokke met lewendige hoenders in Lichtenburg lewendig verbrand. Is hulle ook met briewe gedreig en glo julle dis barbaars?
Verwag skrywe na SANPO waar die NSPCA om verskoning vra oor taalgebruik in briewe waaraan SANPO vergelyk word. Indien dit nie gedoen word nie, sal ek (Leon) geen respek het vir wat die BDV of (NSPCA) doen nie.
Leon noem geval: Kry “warning” op klubhuis deur. Het 48 uur om te “respond”. Klubhuis voldoen nie aan die vereiste om duiwe daar aan te hou nie. Sal hof toe gevat word.
Met inspeksie sien die DBV dat daar is geen duiwe in die klubhuis nie. Was onder die indruk dat daar met duiwe in klubhuis gebroei word.
Leon noem ook dat tydens die vlug na Kaapstad was daar ten alle tye tussen 13 – 17 watergate / damme sigbaar. Hy noem ook dat ‘n duif water van 80 km kan ruik en 120 km kan sien. Gaan slegs een keer per wedvlug af vir water.
NSPCA is oningelig (oor die duiwe sport) en van die punt af. NSPCA het niks te doen met inenting nie. Daar word ook nie vir “Avian Flu” ge-ent nie. Daar bestaan nie eers ‘n entstof daarvoor nie. Versoek dat die NSPCA eers hulle huiswerk op datum kry voordat hulle betrokke raak by die tipe brief wisseling.
Vereis weereens ‘n skrywe van die NSPCA.
NSPCA: Sal versoek HK toe neem en bespreek.
Erwin: Hul duiwe vlieg 1460km in 13 ure. (wen). Vir 15 jaar het die familie duiwe die Jhb – Kaapstad wedvlug gewen. Stuur 3 en kry 3 terug.
Pigeons are capable of doing that.
In the USA the Trenton pigeon flies 2500 miles in 3.5 – 5 days.
Caves: Impossible to subject the pigeons to dowels. Pigeons can claw on a broomstick. Also had discussions with Greenpeace. They only add 1 layer to allow 1 second floor with nodules preventing them from floating around.
NSPCA: Not a NSPCA regulation.
Fadiel: Requested the NSPCA to consult the body which is governing the sport; with the Dept of Sport. Let’s discuss the love for the pigeons around the table. Pigeon sport spends R1.48bn per annum.
Shane: Hope that the NSPCA get some sort of vibe out of session. Antagonism towards each other. Letters from NSPCA end with a threat. Not conducive; will never agree but needs to tolerate each other.
IATA: The positive thing taken out of this meeting is that the IATA rules are in fact cruel to pigeons.
If the NSPCA is serious about cruelty to animals, the onus should be on the NSPC to engage with IATA about this rule.
There is very little knowledge of the NSPCA towards pigeon racing. SANPO can understand it. What is cruel to the NSPCA, is not necessary cruel to us.
The perception is that there is a 1000km races very often (elke naweek).
Daar was 4 aansoeke vir wedvlugte oor 1000km. Slegs 1 is goedgekeur. Tydens die vergadering met die NSPCA 2 jaar gelede het hulle versoek om deel te wees van die navorsing en protokol gee van navorsing. Tot op hede het SANPO geen terugvoer gekry nie. Kry slegs klagtes.
We would like to know the actual complainant and what they justify in the complaint. Is this a member of SANPO?
The perception from SANPO is that the NSPCA is targeting the low-hanging fruit , smaller sport codes like pigeon racing. Should work as a collective to enhance the welfare of the sport.
Dr Botha: Went to Onderstepoort to do the full route as promised. Need the protocol from the NSPCA as promised.
The NSPCA also needs to prove that 1000km races are cruel.
Erwin: Romania and Poland flying 1300km races twice a week for 98 weeks in a row. Success rate is 85% to 87%.
Communicate with SANPO; go into discussions with SANPO to understand our sport.
Willem: Use International standards. Adhere to it.
Dr Botha: Mention a pigeon that was exported to Portugal. Five years later arrived back in SA and fights for his same / old perch. Inbred in genetics. Fly 4 days nonstop. Own free will and not forced.
George: Niemand word gedwing om aan ‘n wedvlug deel te neem nie. Dis eie keuse.
Willem: Verduidelik die loslatings komitee beginsel. Weerpatrone word dopgehou en wedvlug word gekanselleer indien nodig.
Fadiel: What comes first is the love of our pigeons. In the SANPO constitution, we are protecting the pigeons and will take action if not adhering to the rules.
NSPCA: Pitbull scenario. Hulle is ook life vir hulle honde. Duiwe word gesien as ‘n plaag dier.
Fadiel: Not any more. Dept of Environmental Affairs not of the opinion anymore.
NSPCA: Word verwag om ‘n atleet te wees. Probleem met oefen metodes.
Input / expect output. Het nie al die ondervinding wat Alwyn Marias gehad het nie. Moontlik rede dat daar nie teruggekom is na die vorige vergadering nie.
Probleem: Diere word gemandjie 2 dae voor die wedvlug. Moontlik gewag vir nog ‘n dag. Spasie is probleem en is daarteen. Verskeie klagtes is ontvang.
Fadiel: SANPO is there to protect and govern the pigeon sport with the constitution. Pigeon in transport is getting water and food. If conveyers are not adhering to this , SANPO will act. Also felt insulted by the letters from the NSPCA. Alwyn received all documentation.
Dr Botha: Pigeons sits on eggs for 21 days in a little cage. Three days in a truck, slight inconvenience, no cruelty. Will dispute this in court any day.
Willem: Are more concerned about the pigeon’s well-being than the NSPCA.
NSPCA: Animal protection act uses word “unnecessary”
Shane: Need to tolerate each other. In Belgium pigeons are 7 days in baskets. Basketing on a Thursday is better than on a Friday. Better returns. No need for this argument.
Need to get common grounds. Refer to 2014 when the NSPCA went the DOE behind our backs to ban the sport in SA.
Johan: Received 18 complaints during 2015. 17 Of these were incorrect and the one was not cleared as the NSPCA was not prepared to forward the video of liberation in Leeu Gamka to SANPO near the N1.
2016 was very quiet as far as complaints concerns from the NSPCA. The NSPCA can call me directly. Gave cell number to Wayne.
Fadiel: Correspond directly with JP instead of allegations. 99% it will be a lie. Constitution is there to protect the animal and not the member. There are rouge members in SANPO.
Leon: Kies woord keuses beter.
Paul: Nooi Wayne uit om na duiwe te kom kyk. Uitnodiging word aanvaar.
Erwin: If limit is 40 pigeons per basket. Will be 40 hens and only 35 cocks.
With 700km it will be less and 1000km it will be about 20 pigeons.
NSPCA: Will contact JP directly and will visit Paul.
Fadiel: Thanks the NSPCA team and appreciate their time.